Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

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Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by iSweg » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:18 pm

I have a generic HP Elite tower (the ones used in offices) that has 8GB of RAM, 4TB of Hard Drive Space, and an i5-2400 CPU (no dedicated GPU). This machine is running 24/7 as it serves as my surveillance camera recording/alerting system that is hooked up to 8 different cameras running Blue Iris. It usually idles around at ~40-45%. I have also used the recommended configurations from this link. Lately our home electricity bill has gone up a bit and I think this PC may be one of the culprits as I very recently set this all up, and I know the i5-2400 is a bit on the older side and maybe power-hungry. As for reference, the cameras I am running generic POE SV3C 1080P 4MP cameras (from Amazon).

I came across someone who is selling a generic Dell Inspiron tower with an i5-6400 with 16GB of RAM, 1TB Hard Drive with Windows activated (no dedicated GPU, but not necessary for my use case). This machine is for $130. I was, therefore, wondering, if this kind of upgrade something that makes sense, or is it not much of an upgrade for my kind of use case? Benchmarks wise, both CPUs seem close (a matter of fact, the i5-6400 has a locker clock speed than the i5-2400), but I am also not sure with the i5-6400 being a lot more recent if it is worth it.

Another thing I am considering in all of this is the time to re-set all this up, so I also was wondering if setting up a brand new machine from scratch and setting up all my configurations and scripts I initially set up is worth the price and upgrade.

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by MikeBwca » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:10 am

A loaded question!

Is your current machine...
- Running high cpu?
- Running out of ram? Is it paging?
- Can you use the timeline and view past records okay?
- Can you export ok?

If the box runs BI fine without hickups & running out of cpu & memory, then, why spend the money?

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by TimG » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:45 am

As MikeBwca has said, it is a loaded question.

According to https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/I ... /3512vs803 the i5-6400 is 8% faster, so it would indeed be a minor upgrade for $130. The internal HD530 gpu set up for BI5 acceleration may also help keep cpu usage down and **could** save power. i don't use Intel cpu's, so I can't comment on that.

If your original pc is beginning to fail, then this could keep you going for a few years. If you are after power savings, then an even newer chip with a lower TDP would help, but that probably wouldn't be $130 !

So many options...
Blue Iris v5.2.4.4 | Win10 Pro x64 | Dahua IPC-HDW5231R-ZE, Foscam R2, Ertech 4MP, 2 analogue cameras on Euresys Picolo Pro 2 | FX-8350 AMD Piledriver CPU, 32GB Ram, Multiple SSD and HD| Homeseer HS3(4) Pro | TVMosaic | Emby | DVBViewer |

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by Thixotropic » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:56 am

If I was to do this all over again, I'd probably buy a somewhat recent vintage server off of eBay or someplace like that. Lotta bang for the buck in slightly older hardware like that.

For example, you can get a Dell PowerEdge R710 Server / 2x E5645 = 12-Cores / 32GB | Perc6i / 2x 300GB SAS for about $220. Hard to beat that for the money. I'm seriously tempted to snag one myself at that price. Just an example of what's out there. Full specs below, seems like it would be a good BI platform if you bumped up the hard drives.

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Model 	Dell PowerEdge R710
MPN 	R710
Processor 	2x Intel Xeon E5645 - 2.40GHz Hex Core
Memory Installed 	32 GB
Hard Drives 	2x Enterprise 300GB 10k 2.5" SAS Hard Drives
Drive Bays 	8 drive bays, blanks not included
Riser Board 	2 x Riser Board with 2x PCI-e G2 x8 Slots Per Riser Board
External Media 	DVD Not Included
Power Supply 	Redundant Hot Plug Power Supplies - Power Cords Not Included
Backplane 	Backplane for 8 x 2.5" SAS or SATA Drives
Ethernet 	Broadcom BCM5709C 4 x iSCSI TOE NICs (4 On-Board Ports Total)
Video 	Embedded Matrox G200 8MB
Form Factor 	2U Rackmountable
RAID Controller 	PERC 6i RAID Controller with BBU and Cables
Remote Access Card 	iDRAC 6 Enterprise
Processor Manufacturer 	Intel
Processor Type 	Xeon Quad Core
Blue Iris 5.x x64 | Windows 10 Pro x64 | 16GB RAM | i7-7700 3.6 GHz | 1TB HDD | 2TB RAID NAS | Ngrok Tunneling

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by TimG » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:02 pm

Hmm, I don't think that matches the OP's aspiration for reducing power usage :lol:

I would recommend that the OP measures the present power usage, by using something as simple as the "kill a watt" plug in meter. That will show if it is using unexpected amounts of power. He can then move it from appliance to appliance to see if it is something else :idea:
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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by HeneryH » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:49 pm

Did your monthly electric bill go up by more than ($130/12 months) ?

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by TimG » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:06 pm

And to put it into perspective, if I replace my old FX-8350 pc with my 3 year old Ryzen 1800X pc, then I am looking at a 58% improvement :o
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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by HeneryH » Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:09 pm

TimG wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:06 pm
... if I replace my old FX-8350 pc with my 3 year old Ryzen 1800X pc, then I am looking at a 58% improvement :o
improvement in what? CPU utilization? Power consumption?

My point was... who cares if the CPU runs at 80% vs 30% other than the power costs.

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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by TimG » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:29 pm

HeneryH,

As MikeBwca said initially, it is a loaded question, and we all have our personal view on how the OP should proceed.

I do agree with you though. The OP's query was on power consumption rather than the fact his pc couldn't cope with the BI server. He needs to find out if his pc is using more power than it should. The Kill-a-watt meter may help resolve that - but he would need to purchase the second pc to get the answer if it could reduce power consumption. It is possible that intel acceleration with the later Intel cpu may help in reducing overall power usage, but how long would it take to recoup $130 ?

I was also pointing out that his chosen replacement pc - according to a cpu comparison site - is less of an improvement than for me replacing a seven year old pc with a three year old pc. And my seven year old AMD Piledriver is also running various other media servers - gotta love those HDHomerun Quatro tv tuners. More POWER as Jeremy Clarkson would say :idea:
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Re: Should I upgrade my PC/Server?

Post by HeneryH » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:12 pm

I was just asking what your percent improvement was measuring.

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