Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

ivamar
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Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by ivamar » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Hi,

currently i have 4x C800 Annke 4K cams and Annke NVR. sadly this nvr is limited and its not allowed to use it in a subnet.

now im looking for a better nvr. i want record 24/7 with maybe 5-7 cams maximum.

i want record in 4k and maybe h265+. i dont know how much space this take, but i want record minimum 1 month. alternative i record in low quality and on movement in 4k stream. if its possible to do it like 5minute pre and 5min after movement.

i guess i will install the AI plugin later, for better notification. notification would be nice if this works with smarthome system like iobroker. i think this should work via mqtt.

next, iam lookin for less power consumation. because of 24h recording.

i have alreade some 4tb WD red harddrives, from my old nas, i want use them if possible.

ok thats my facts, now i hope someone can suggest me a "perfect" system for blueiris with the above hints.

thank you in advance. hope someone has a similiar setup and give me some tipps.


tl:dr
i looking for a pc with blueiris to add 5-7 4K cams with h265+ and 24/7 recording :D
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by Thixotropic » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:20 pm

If I had it all to do over again, I'd buy a cheap refurb box off of eBay, something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274793799263

Dell Optiplex 9020 SFF PC
Core i7 4th Gen
16GB RAM
1TB Hard Drive
2 DisplayPorts, USB 2.0, USB 3.0
Optical Drive
Win 10

Not bad for ~$250.

Maybe something with a little more ooomph, but you get the idea. I built my BI box from parts because I got a super deal on a spare CPU from a friend, but these days I'd go with a refurb- just make sure it has enough CPU to handle the load. (You can always add memory but typically 16Gb is plenty.) Hard drives are cheap, but a 1Tb drive should be fine to start out with.

There are tons of inexpensive boxes on eBay that would fit the bill, a little browsing will find some suitable candidates.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by ivamar » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 am

Thixotropic wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:20 pm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274793799263

Dell Optiplex 9020 SFF PC
Core i7 4th Gen
Ok thank you, so it has to be i7 because i have an old pc here but just core2duo , very old :-)
do i need ssd for windows to boot? i think i boot it once or reboot after problems. but its on 24/7

do you know how much elecritity i need or how much this cost per year, round about ?
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by Matts1984 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:21 pm

You can certainly run an i5 processor or a Xeon server grade CPU. An i7 is just more cores than an i5 and Blue Iris if anything is CPU hungry. I don't think a Core2duo is going to be a good experience BUT..... if you have it, there really is no harm in trying it. It might end up being miserable in which case, export your config, deactivate the license, and move to a more powerful system.

SSD not required of course, but for the intensive read/write and speed, it's not a bad idea. I do not have an SSD myself but I'm running RAID across a pretty big array of disks so I get it in another way. The choice is yours of course.

Electricity requirements are very subjective to a lot of things and I think would be very difficult to estimate. You'd have to get into the weeds of the properties of your PSU as well as even little details like RAM speed, hard drive type, all of which can affect power draw. Expect to run a computer at average (not idle) performance around the clock. Beyond that, you're looking at the initial cost of the Blue Iris license and then approximated $30 US per year to renew (which is a bargain based on the development efforts). Any other costs after that depend on what toys (cameras, switches, etc) you buy to go with your system.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by HeneryH » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:58 pm

If you do the math, spindle disks are just fine for video recorders. My BI system confirms this.

I have other virtual machines that I tinker with where the speed of an SSD is very noticeable. Not BI though.

Booting the computer is very much helped by SSD.

I suppose I would actually go with SSD but don't use BI requirements as the basis of that decision.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by ivamar » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:49 pm

Ty guys.

I found a System.
HP EliteDesk 800 G1. Cost 250. 00
Prozessor: Intel Core i7 4785T 2..2 GHz
Ram: 16 GB
SSD 256 GB
Intel HD Graphics 4600

Is this enough? I would record on my synology if bi Supports this. I have plenty space free on it.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by Thixotropic » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:05 pm

ivamar wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 am Ok thank you, so it has to be i7 because i have an old pc here but just core2duo , very old :-)
do i need ssd for windows to boot? i think i boot it once or reboot after problems. but its on 24/7
do you know how much elecritity i need or how much this cost per year, round about ?
No, it doesn't have to be an I7 but a more powerful CPU is always better in my experience. There's no real downside to having a faster CPU that I can think of.

SSDs: I've converted almost everything I own to use SSDs, mostly for speed but also for resilience- one good bump and most spinning hard disks will crash with disastrous results. SSDs also have very good life expectancy these days so the "wear and tear" factor is no longer something to worry about.

As for electricity we're probably talking a few dollars a year depending on your local rates. I never even thought about that; it's not a consideration for me.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by Thixotropic » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:08 pm

With those specs it sounds like it should work just fine. If you can get a little snappier CPU for not too much extra $$ then I'd go for it, but what you specced below seems like should work for 5 ~ 7 cameras.
ivamar wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:49 pm HP EliteDesk 800 G1. Cost 250. 00
Prozessor: Intel Core i7 4785T 2..2 GHz
Ram: 16 GB
SSD 256 GB
Intel HD Graphics 4600

Is this enough? I would record on my synology if bi Supports this. I have plenty space free on it.
Blue Iris 5.x x64 | Windows 10 Pro x64 | 16GB RAM | i7-7700 3.6 GHz | 1TB HDD | 2TB RAID NAS | 9 Cameras | Almost Dual NIC | 2KVA UPS
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by Matts1984 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:11 am

I agree, that system should work just fine. I'd always recommend (as Thixo did) to just shop around a bit to get the best CPU bang for your buck. All other specs are more than sufficient but the CPU listed should be just fine too!

And yes, BI supports using network storage, second drives, whatever pretty much. It's flexible.
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Re: Looking for new system, 5-7 cams

Post by ivamar » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:29 am

Ok thank you guys. helped me a lot.


i bought now one: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF

CPU : Intel Core i7-4790 ( 4 cores 8 thread, 8MB Cache, 4.0GHz Turbo , AVX2 )
iGPU : Intel HD Graphics 4600 ( 2 x Display Port )
Mainboard : Intel Q87 Express
SSD : 256GB ( Samsung )
RAM : 16GB ( 2 x 8GB , PC3-12800)
PSU : 240W
OS : Windows 10

round about 200 dollar used inclusive delivery. i decided for an bigger case (SFF). just in case ;-)

im happy.
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